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  Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

  why don't the jw's do the same?.

  from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).

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  If that were a place of burning torment, why was he looking forward to going there?

  Because there is more than one compartment in hell.

  
  
  
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  Anyone Have a Photo of The Current 9 Member Governing Body?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  governing body members.

  kenneth eugene cook, jr. (2018).

  gage fleegle (2023).

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  Great photo Jeffro. One of their heads went up in smoke .... kinda like a match.
  
  
  
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  Is there really a Bible rule against sex without marriage?

  by Halcon in

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  regarding the poster from jw headquarters, who claimed that the gb would eventually loosen the rules regarding sex.

  the question is, is there really a bible rule explicitly prohibiting sex without marriage?

  because this would be the only possible reason why loosening those rules would even come up in a discussion.

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  Not only that; there is also a biblical rule against marriage without sex!
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  Money Is The Answer For Everything - Eccl. 10: 19 (NASB)

  by Sea Breeze in

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  do jehovahs witnesses believe eccl.

  10: 19 is literal or is limited in application in some way?

  money is the answer for everything - eccl.

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  Looks like they limited the application of this verse to purchasing bread and wine.

  Why then don't they limit Eccl 9: 5 - "But the dead know nothing" to just the body?
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  Money Is The Answer For Everything - Eccl. 10: 19 (NASB)

  by Sea Breeze in

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  do jehovahs witnesses believe eccl.

  10: 19 is literal or is limited in application in some way?

  money is the answer for everything - eccl.

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  Do Jehovahs Witnesses believe Eccl. 10: 19 is literal or is limited in application in some way?

  Money Is The Answer For Everything - Eccl. 10: 19 (NASB)
  
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  Thoughts on Likely Upcoming Changes in the Org.

  by Phizzy in

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  i am thinking that the "ten year plan" that some have spoken of is the most likely scenario.

  the org.

  has to both attract new members and retain as many existing ones as possible.. so i think they will let the recent changes "bed in" for a while, maybe a year ?

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  I think the powers that be realized that the doctrinal heresies have worked far better than imagined and the asceticism is mostly unnecessary.
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  Anyone Have a Photo of The Current 9 Member Governing Body?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  governing body members.

  kenneth eugene cook, jr. (2018).

  gage fleegle (2023).

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  s-395 Adjustments-to-handling-serious-wrongdoing-in-the-congregation

  by gavindlt in

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  this was posted on jw leaks.. my truth's | dad seeking truth.

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  "If the individual is not an apostate or actively promoting wrongdoing...

  Here's what this means:

  If the individual is not saying that they have become a born again Christian or telling others that Jesus is the Mediator for all mankind...
  

  Then, heck yeah.... give them their families back after humiliating them for 3 months. What a loving provision!
  
  
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  Why Do JW's Believe that Hell is Symbolic When the Disciples of the Apostles believed it Was Literal ?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  looks like the early christians believed jesus when he warned about hell over 40 times.

  why don't the jw's do the same?.

  from “the epistle of barnabas” (70-130ad).

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  Once Adam fell, the right to exist ceased, for the wages of sin is death. The miracle is that God has allowed any of sinful man to exist for any length of time. Your next breath is a kindness from the Lord.

  Courts all over the world recognize that the pure administration of Law leaves something lacking. Judges recognize that justice without mercy is cruelty.

  Thomas Aquinas said, “Mercy without justice is the mother of dissolution” and “justice without mercy is cruelty.” For the former, the wicked are allowed to go unpunished, and for the latter, they are punished with brutality.

  God who the standard of goodness and who knows all things is perfectly within his judicial authority right to apply a mixture justice and mercy as he sees fit.

  You seemed to be hung up on the idea that if you submit to God, he might go back on his word to save you and treat you as a cherished son or daughter for eternity.

  If he did, I would only be getting what I deserve anyway, so I have no right to complain. But Jesus, who raised himself from the dead, guarantees otherwise:

  Receiving Jesus guarantees eternal life:

  
  *Rom.6:23b The gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ.
  *Jn.11:26 Whosoever…believeth in Me shall never die.
  *Jn.14:2-3 In My Father’s house are many mansions.

  *1Pet.1:3,4 Incorruptible inheritance reserved in Heaven for you.
  *2 Cor 1:22. Our inheritance cannot be taken away.
  *1Jn.5:11 God hath given to us eternal life…in His Son.
  *John 17:3 to know Jesus is to have Eternal Life.

  2 Cor 1:3. God is our comfort and we can comfort others and use that affliction to help others.

  John 6:47 “I tell you the truth, anyone who believes has eternal life.

  1 Corinthians 15:51 But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed!
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  A simple rebuttal to the recent 'Last Minute Repentance' change.

  by nicolaou in

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  for decades, critics have pointed out the unfairness of god slaughtering billions in a future armageddon who never even met a jw much less heard their life-saving message.

  (remember the contortions around the collective responsibility of nations?

  ) also, why do babies and children have to die simply because their parents rejected the witnesses?

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  I have asked you, numerous times, if you can or cannot determine what makes murder wrong. Or theft, or rape, or deception, or any of a number of actions that we deem immoral or wrong.

  Of course I can, and you can too. The question is why can we do that?

  The idea that we cannot determine what is right or wrong without god fails the moment we admit that we can explain why certain actions are good or bad.

  That's ridiculous. You are saying that because we can determine right from wrong, that explains why we can do it.
  

  If you and I were trekking through the jungle in the Congo and came across a 747 jet airplane in the forest, you would never tell yourself because its here, that explains why its here. And if you tried to write a peer reviewd paper using that reasoning, you'd be laughed away as a nut.

  And that is just exactly the kind of "logic" you are trying to employ here. It makes no sense. Why should chemicals care what reaction they have? In the atheist paradigm that’s pretty much all we are right?

  One chemical reaction goes fizz, another one goes bang. Who cares? That’s how atheists describe their formation right? It’s all just chemicals and chance.

  So, even if we grant the miracle of everything appearing from nothing (which is a huge grant) your burden is to explain how rocks, electricity, primordial soup, chemicals, poisonous gases, predation, and blind chance can provide any kind of basis whatsoever in determining that murder is wrong.

  So, go ahead, try to do it.

  The reality is that blind, random chance gives every reason to doubt that we could be sure about anything morally.

  But atheists do not treat their moral certitude as something coming from chemical reactions. They parade their morality as something that is rock solid and logically unassasilable, because they have it. But how can accidents provide anything other than more accidents? How can you be sure that your moral certitude about murder is anything other than just another roadstop along happanstance highway?

  If atheists were honest, they would have to conclude that their certitude about murder is.... just another accident.

  But they don't treat it that way do they? They must borrow from the Christian worldview and claim that they just "know it". And again, this claim of just knowing it is a dead giveaway that atheists don't really believe their own made up story about accidents, chemical reactions, lightning bolts in a primiordial soup, etc, etc, etc.

  The bible gets it right, and the rabbit hole atheists crawl in to try and hide from God in won't work:

  Romans 2 - Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. 2 We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. 3 Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God?.......

  When Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.

  Even the most remote tribes who have been cut off from the rest of civilization observe a moral code similar to everyone else’s. Although differences certainly exist in civil matters, virtues like bravery and loyalty and vices like greed and cowardice are universal.

  If man were responsible for that code, it would differ as much as every other thing that man has invented. Where, then, do we get these laws of what should be done?